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Can you tell me a bit about how you started in music?

I was on a trip with my school in the break between year 11 and 12 and I was listening to a lot of independent rap and hip hop, and then I just started writing. I had a friend who was trying to record things and was just trying to figure out, audio, and not just writing music, he was trying to figure out how to record and set up studios. So, I was his little guinea pig and we just went from there, and I just made one song and I liked it, and I made another one, and without realising it just kind of grew into this independent label and community we have now.


You released a new single, 4Bar4, do you mind telling me a bit about it?

I guess philosophically there is not too much about it, but it’s just a homage to classic, old school, legendary cypher tracks, essentially just rapping the whole time, coming in and out of each other’s verses, and you never really know what to expect.

They were all just fun and full of energy and exciting. A lot of people for while in the 90s and 2000s was often the chorus, or the hook that was just repeated, and there was not too much. It was always those songs, that seemed like they were just made for rap, and hip hop heads and get down to the grittiness, get down to the bars and the lyricism.

So, when we heard the beat, Stoyan and I figured that it would fit the beat a bit more if we just kind of went 4-bars each, and kept coming in and out, but we weren’t changing rhyme schemes or flows, we were intersecting the end of whatever some ends on, with the beginning of whatever the other person comes in on. Kind of create a cohesion, so it could be one rapper rapping the whole time, but it’s not, and it creates a kind of seamlessness around it.

It just happened quick, it’s one of the few songs I’ve ever been part of that from the song to the video it was just came out all very naturally and smoothly, and the end products were surprisingly awesome it was great.


Awesome, you were talking about the different eras of hip-hop can you tell me which era inspires you the most?  

It’s like everything, you kind of have to study the OGs and the forefathers to understand why your favourite artists are the way they are. Because everyone has influences, and everyone has favourite artists it’s important in my opinion to pay that respect and do that research, so I would say the 90s. But in the sense of that what you’re constantly thinking about and listening to most of it was done back then, and was sort of important.

Now that genres are kind of changing, and now that trap has come and kind of taken over the world, even in that it’s easy to forget that years and years of artists who have been slowly moving towards those sounds, and opening peoples ears up to that kind of style.

And I think that’s important, for example in 4bar4, is luckily not that crazy and out there now, because there is so much music out there now that, but back in the day, it may not make that much sense to people without that groundwork being done by incredible artists.


Just talking about your lyrics, what inspires you when you’re writing.

I guess everything, big or small. I just like to write about, what I like to write about, it’s just something I kind of settled on a while back, because sometimes you can get kind of stuck on “what should I write about” or “what’s the message of this song” or “what’s the concept”, and it just doing too much before you’ve done anything.

And most of the time, the beat kind of helps you write the song, or the song kind of writes itself, because you are thinking all of this, and there is a feeling you want to help get across and the beat is in that moment the perfect passage to get those words across. In that regard, I like to rap about anything and not say I rap about this or that. But given that it’s clear things about family, myself, and loneliness, kind of overtones of depression comes across in a lot of it, and the perspective that I portray.

How I feel in an honest way that feels natural to me and authentic and doesn’t sound like someone else. With ‘Your love is Weird’ it was kind of just me having a string of thoughts over a night or some situation or chain of events that have made me feel a certain way and I kind of just want to get that out of my system in one sitting usually. It doesn’t usually feel like work, it just kind of comes to me, in a natural honest way. In a lot of those songs I’m just having fun. But songs like Your Love is Weird, I’m just kind of like having a conversation with someone it very much feels a bit more intimate to me and a bit more effortless. Like you’re the only person hearing this dialogue, and I really like that. Whenever you are in a different place in your life, and you listen back to those old songs sometimes it feels like a good refresher for me.


When I was listening to it [Your Love is weird], it sounded as if it would have been a very cathartic experience, writing it all down.

 Yeah, it was, it really was. It’s kind of the best coping strategy, it’s like free therapy if you will [laughs]. Because everything I’ve written, I’ve kind of had in my head and thought about and instead of having that conversation with anyone or figuring it out, by the end of the song I kind of have figured that all out for myself. It’s therapeutic like that, and that’s kind of the most satisfactory part.

There’s nothing more satisfying than being able to help yourself without even realising it. When you read it back, you see a change in perspective or a growth. It doesn’t even feel like you’re writing a song when you’re writing it. Especially a song like Your Love is Weird, I don’t even think that I wrote it to a beat. Sometimes you just write and you don’t really think about it and what you have to do as an artist or a musician, or what song it will be, or what album, you just write to get that out of your head in a really healthy way. And you realise that some of those times when you just write to make yourself sane, it becomes some of the more relatable themes, that essentially everyone deals with in their own ways, but just felt so specific to you at that time, and you just felt so separated from everything in your environment in that moment. Later on, you kind of get some perspective and you realise that those themes are universal.